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Post by bdmd on Jun 25, 2008 22:06:36 GMT -5
I was always partial to the shows in Danbury, CT Always a packed house at Tuxedo's!
Some good DVD's from there as well.
Head back North.. we love DWOW!!! ;D ;D
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Post by simon1081 on Jun 26, 2008 6:41:46 GMT -5
The crowds at Froggy's in Dover, Delaware were awesome crowds. I was always there early so I could get front row seats. The place was always packed and the crowd got into the show like no other. Bubba's (in Dover as well) put on a good show too.
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Post by Moderator on Jun 29, 2008 13:01:11 GMT -5
All I can say and I'm sure I speak for the current owner... FOR THIS TO WORK THIS TIME AROUND... we need the fans MORE than ever! We hope you all do what you say, when it comes time! we promise we will.
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Post by simon1081 on Jul 2, 2008 10:10:38 GMT -5
All I can say and I'm sure I speak for the current owner... FOR THIS TO WORK THIS TIME AROUND... we need the fans MORE than ever! We hope you all do what you say, when it comes time! we promise we will. mod You got my promise here. All I can say to all the others on here who are talking the talk is "Shit or Get Off the POT"!!!
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Post by RockinDoc on Jul 14, 2008 21:01:46 GMT -5
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Post by lizsavage on Jul 15, 2008 5:11:31 GMT -5
Hey mod FYI DWOW tended to draw about 100 times better than you average indy show.
For a "mostly" womens promotion, they averaged what the higher level independent wrestling companies would at their shows.
However with the extent of promotion (S.O'N did a great job), and lack of shows towards the end, plus the faith in major DVDS (sigh, we were all hoping for that to work out!) it seemed to not all add up.
I would hope the new owners read this board, listen to the fans, and really make an effort to learn what goes into running a successful org. DWOW did so for quite a while in the past... Hopefully this time around it will be better than ever.
As I have worked for DWOW since I started, I have also worked with some great independent companies, learning all aspects of the business... With 16 years in promo and marketing making the transition into figuring out how to make a successful show was pretty much a snap.
I dont share any of my marketing techniques online, however if you want someone on your team with this kind of experience, I am more than willing to lend a hand.
The last DWOW comeback show was a huge success, and this one could have the same impact with the proper marketing, promotions, and floor staff.
Plus some chicks wrestling in some kind of gross substance tends to bring out the boys too... lol
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Post by vnndlr on Jul 15, 2008 21:36:14 GMT -5
I agree that returning to Tuxedo Junction in Danbury, CT would be simply awesome! Will that ever happen?
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Post by lillouie on Jul 16, 2008 17:27:49 GMT -5
Mod, Liz makes some good points.
"I would hope the new owners read this board, listen to the fans, and really make an effort to learn what goes into running a successful org. DWOW did so for quite a while in the past... Hopefully this time around it will be better than ever."
The key here is to run a SUCCESSFUL promotion i.e. a promotion that MAKES MONEY. Ask yourself, how many Indy promotions that were around 5-6 years ago, still exist? Not too many. Why? because they either had a poor business plan, didn't know their audience or were "Marks" for the business. I'm sure Liz can attest to this, as she's in the business, that very few owners/promoters are BUSINESSMEN.
First, run in a building you can AFFORD. Don't feel you have to run at the Old ECW Arena. That building costs money. Find an affordable building so that you can make a few bucks. Fire Halls, rec centers etc. are surely available.
Next, you're going to be on TV. This is the place where the fans are going to view your product and a place where you can promote upcoming shows. Make your productions look PROFESSIONAL. I would hope that, if you have access to the old DWOW footage and you are using that to produce your first shows, that you are using the footage that was shot by the guys with the big cameras. (I THINK they are the same guys shooting the WEW Shows.) I think they did a show or two at the ECW Arena and maybe, not sure, a Froggy's show. The difference is huge. I'm sure it would cost more but it's probably worth it.
Don't even think of running bars just yet. And, if you do, I don't know if you'd want to tape them for TV. I've never seen a Bar Show that looked good on TV except for when WEW taped at the Electric Factory.
Finally, promote, Promote, PROMOTE the shows. You've got to get people to view your product in order to get them out to your shows. I believe Liz could be of some big help here.
Hopefully, you guys will be successful as, apparently, there are people out there who are looking forward to your return.
Louie
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Post by simon1081 on Jul 20, 2008 13:09:57 GMT -5
Mod, Liz makes some good points. "I would hope the new owners read this board, listen to the fans, and really make an effort to learn what goes into running a successful org. DWOW did so for quite a while in the past... Hopefully this time around it will be better than ever."The key here is to run a SUCCESSFUL promotion i.e. a promotion that MAKES MONEY. Ask yourself, how many Indy promotions that were around 5-6 years ago, still exist? Not too many. Why? because they either had a poor business plan, didn't know their audience or were "Marks" for the business. I'm sure Liz can attest to this, as she's in the business, that very few owners/promoters are BUSINESSMEN. First, run in a building you can AFFORD. Don't feel you have to run at the Old ECW Arena. That building costs money. Find an affordable building so that you can make a few bucks. Fire Halls, rec centers etc. are surely available. Next, you're going to be on TV. This is the place where the fans are going to view your product and a place where you can promote upcoming shows. Make your productions look PROFESSIONAL. I would hope that, if you have access to the old DWOW footage and you are using that to produce your first shows, that you are using the footage that was shot by the guys with the big cameras. (I THINK they are the same guys shooting the WEW Shows.) I think they did a show or two at the ECW Arena and maybe, not sure, a Froggy's show. The difference is huge. I'm sure it would cost more but it's probably worth it. Don't even think of running bars just yet. And, if you do, I don't know if you'd want to tape them for TV. I've never seen a Bar Show that looked good on TV except for when WEW taped at the Electric Factory. Finally, promote, Promote, PROMOTE the shows. You've got to get people to view your product in order to get them out to your shows. I believe Liz could be of some big help here. Hopefully, you guys will be successful as, apparently, there are people out there who are looking forward to your return. Louie I agree with Louie. The big cameras were at Froggys more than once and they made an incredible looking product. Of course just blurbing about it is not going to spread the good word. "Truth in Advertising" works wonders. I can do my part by spreading it by "Word of Mouth" but that will only get you so far. Taking out some ad time on TV does cost money but if it triples or more your returns then it is money well invested.
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Post by lillouie on Jul 20, 2008 17:12:33 GMT -5
Simon, TV does cost money but there are other ways to promote that cost very little. My first thought is to promote at other wrestling shows. Let's say DWOW is going to be Philly based. I have no idea if it IS, perhaps MOD could comment on that. There are always shows at the New Alhambra. Flyer's on the car windshield is a great idea. It's probably the best way to hit your target audience, the wrestling fan. Or, perhaps, you can get in touch with the promoters and ask them if you could place flyer's on the seats prior to a show. In return, you could allow them to do the same at a DWOW show. OMG, wrestling promotions actually WORKING TOGETHER!!!!!!
Talent... There's a ton of Indy talent out there but, with regards to women, all you usually think about are the "Names." The women who are working all of the bigger shows. I've seen some women out there who I've only seen working smaller shows. Discord, Autumn Breeze, Rebecca Payne, Stacy Marie, Monique Mercy and Tina Marina to name a few. I'm sure they would appreciate the exposure they could gain from working with DWOW.
Just my thoughts, Louie
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Post by Moderator on Jul 21, 2008 10:27:26 GMT -5
Mod, Liz makes some good points. "I would hope the new owners read this board, listen to the fans, and really make an effort to learn what goes into running a successful org. DWOW did so for quite a while in the past... Hopefully this time around it will be better than ever."The key here is to run a SUCCESSFUL promotion i.e. a promotion that MAKES MONEY. Ask yourself, how many Indy promotions that were around 5-6 years ago, still exist? Not too many. Why? because they either had a poor business plan, didn't know their audience or were "Marks" for the business. I'm sure Liz can attest to this, as she's in the business, that very few owners/promoters are BUSINESSMEN. First, run in a building you can AFFORD. Don't feel you have to run at the Old ECW Arena. That building costs money. Find an affordable building so that you can make a few bucks. Fire Halls, rec centers etc. are surely available. Next, you're going to be on TV. This is the place where the fans are going to view your product and a place where you can promote upcoming shows. Make your productions look PROFESSIONAL. I would hope that, if you have access to the old DWOW footage and you are using that to produce your first shows, that you are using the footage that was shot by the guys with the big cameras. (I THINK they are the same guys shooting the WEW Shows.) I think they did a show or two at the ECW Arena and maybe, not sure, a Froggy's show. The difference is huge. I'm sure it would cost more but it's probably worth it. Don't even think of running bars just yet. And, if you do, I don't know if you'd want to tape them for TV. I've never seen a Bar Show that looked good on TV except for when WEW taped at the Electric Factory. Finally, promote, Promote, PROMOTE the shows. You've got to get people to view your product in order to get them out to your shows. I believe Liz could be of some big help here. Hopefully, you guys will be successful as, apparently, there are people out there who are looking forward to your return. Louie I agree with Louie. The big cameras were at Froggys more than once and they made an incredible looking product. Of course just blurbing about it is not going to spread the good word. "Truth in Advertising" works wonders. I can do my part by spreading it by "Word of Mouth" but that will only get you so far. Taking out some ad time on TV does cost money but if it triples or more your returns then it is money well invested. ANY advertising would help and will help! WORD OF MOUTH is the #1 absoulte STRONGEST method for any product. It can make and kill a product. The plan is to have TV to rekindle that spark of our previous fan base, and should naturally capture new viewers and hopefully make them fans. Then come live events and so on... mod
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Post by Moderator on Jul 21, 2008 10:33:59 GMT -5
Simon, TV does cost money but there are other ways to promote that cost very little. My first thought is to promote at other wrestling shows. Let's say DWOW is going to be Philly based. I have no idea if it IS, perhaps MOD could comment on that. There are always shows at the New Alhambra. Flyer's on the car windshield is a great idea. It's probably the best way to hit your target audience, the wrestling fan. Or, perhaps, you can get in touch with the promoters and ask them if you could place flyer's on the seats prior to a show. In return, you could allow them to do the same at a DWOW show. OMG, wrestling promotions actually WORKING TOGETHER!!!!!! Talent... There's a ton of Indy talent out there but, with regards to women, all you usually think about are the "Names." The women who are working all of the bigger shows. I've seen some women out there who I've only seen working smaller shows. Discord, Autumn Breeze, Rebecca Payne, Stacy Marie, Monique Mercy and Tina Marina to name a few. I'm sure they would appreciate the exposure they could gain from working with DWOW. Just my thoughts, Louie Louie, great points. However, unless we have a workign relationship with the promotion, we just wouldn't bomb cars with fliers. No need for the unecessary stress. More importantly, most regular wrestling fans didn't like DWOW anyway and look down on it. Maybe it is because the wrestling isn't that of say ROH, and they wonder how we have TV and the company they follow don't. Companies working together makes sense in the statement, but the practicality of it is slim, as money and ego ALWAYS get in the way. DWOW has in the past did a cross promo with CZW (on more than one occassion), but that was about it and that was only done as John Zandig hoped Dan would come through and help him get on PPV with his connection. As for the talent who will eventually make up the DWOW roster. We are looking for TEAM players. Talent that actually believe in the product, and aren't just here for a paycheck. mod
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Post by Moderator on Jul 21, 2008 10:44:29 GMT -5
Hey mod FYI DWOW tended to draw about 100 times better than you average indy show. For a "mostly" womens promotion, they averaged what the higher level independent wrestling companies would at their shows. However with the extent of promotion (S.O'N did a great job), and lack of shows towards the end, plus the faith in major DVDS (sigh, we were all hoping for that to work out!) it seemed to not all add up. I would hope the new owners read this board, listen to the fans, and really make an effort to learn what goes into running a successful org. DWOW did so for quite a while in the past... Hopefully this time around it will be better than ever. As I have worked for DWOW since I started, I have also worked with some great independent companies, learning all aspects of the business... With 16 years in promo and marketing making the transition into figuring out how to make a successful show was pretty much a snap. I dont share any of my marketing techniques online, however if you want someone on your team with this kind of experience, I am more than willing to lend a hand. The last DWOW comeback show was a huge success, and this one could have the same impact with the proper marketing, promotions, and floor staff. Plus some chicks wrestling in some kind of gross substance tends to bring out the boys too... lol Hi Liz, you also make some valid points. However, like most people don't know the whole story on alot of the DWOW behind-the-scenes activities. One of the craziest being the Big Vision Deal, which has since been terminated due to their breach of contract and the product never reaching the retail outlets due to Big Vision and their distributor partnership owing them money and withholding shipments to the retail stores until paid, which left DWOW and many other BVE titles in the warehouse. Without Steve's hand in the deal, the titles may still be sitting in the warehouse. (Which btw this story is also included in the documentary being produced.) Don't worry though, action has been taken to finally get those DVD's out into the publics hands! We have been reading the board, and reviewing the product. All we can say is we do hear the fans and we hope to be able to deliver an entertaining product they like and can get behind. We are working on a MAIN piece to that puzzle currently as we feel it would directly make a huge impact immediately! BTW, I've watched your battles with Missy Samsonite and can only say wow! You are like the energizer bunny who just keeps on ticking! mod
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Post by simon1081 on Jul 23, 2008 11:36:12 GMT -5
"If you build it, they will come"
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